Curse

Tea Girl · Jul 11, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Why were builds like iway, bloodspike, vimway running rampart for ages? Why did they introduced 6v6 and kept it for months? Why Nightfall is full of "win button" skills? Why old heroway, one man teams and 5 hero/hench were tolerated in HA for almost half a year against outcry of players?

Anet wants to dumb down the game, so the "casual players" aka noobs will have some chance against real players using imbalanced, broken builds. Those players have no skill, and their place surely isn't HA. Sadly, they are being given tools which are making the game for the rest of us unpleasant. Many players left the game disgusted by this policy, but at least some whammo got his bambi running heroway. Anet has chosen it's customer base some time ago. It is not competitive player, its whammo farmer. PVP is dead, move along.

How come so few ppl HA nowedays... ='[

whispering warlock · Jul 11, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by pitty_sayonara

dear anet,

when u renamed tombs of primeval kings into heroes ascent i didnt know u want to make it for real Heroes (Olias,Zhed ...)

Why dont u make heroes ascent for only HUMANS? I wont be the only one who thinks HEROES are for PVE not for PVP.

I know its good for ppl who dont have any rank to gain some fames but when they get to HoH they can be really anoying cause they dont know what to do and gank u whole time instead of focusing on winning team. ( this happens on kill counts too)

If u want to keep heroes for heroes ascent pls write at least 1 reasonable message.

P.S. Why dont u finally nerf rit spike?

/signed

(and adding extra characters to post sigh)

God Apprentice · Jul 12, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

LMAO. I love "elitists omgomg" post. Well, sorry mate, this is not charity, and I'm not sister of mercy. When I come back from work, I want to play with friends not babysit noobs.

Yeah I like the "elitest attitude" posts as well. People who are at certain ranks are gonna want to play with people of similar rank. When I was unranked, I didn't cry, I made unranked pugs.

Akaraxle · Jul 12, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Why were builds like iway, bloodspike, vimway running rampart for ages?

Air spi- wait... dual sm- ah damn... spirit sp- oh wtf... ranger spi- WAIT I'LL GET IT RIGHT NEXT!

EVERYTHING ON OUR GHOST
NOES IT DIED
INTERRUPT THEIR GHOST
dshot savage dshot savage dshot savage OSHI-

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Those players have no skill, and their place surely isn't HA.

Wait, HA isn't the place for players with no skill? Have I been fooled all this time?

Div · Jul 12, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Quozz

Since when does a casual player automatically equate to being a "noob"? This is a gross mischaracterization and is just another example of the type of bad attitude that has poisoned the atmosphere of PVP. Is elitism, bad attitudes, and poor sportsmanship the only problems facing PVP? Of course not, as there are a myriad of issues that need to be addressed including broken, over powered skills.

However, until the player community smartens up and stops treating newer players like dirt organized PVP will never be successful no matter if all the other problems are corrected.

The myriad of issues include when your "casual player" wammo charges into HA with healing hands and mending. That is the reason why the established community treats newer players like dirt, because 95%+ of them are. Granted, there are some that are good and learn fast, but that number is very low compared to the amount of idiots running around with no idea what they're doing. The ones who play well will rise up much quicker than those that suck and give up, so it makes sense (though I will admit it is pretty near impossible for a really good player to rise to the very top if they just started PvPing now).

On days when I feel like doing charity, I teach noobs who are willing to learn how to play. But those days are decreasing in frequency as I get PvE'rs who refuse to run an established bar and take something retarded instead and then don't listen to the strategy when in a battle. It's almost as if they don't have brains or something. Look at how most kurzicks play on fort aspenwood for example. The strategy actually revolves around holding gates, capping amber, and distracting the luxons. Most people just charge in with their riposte/mending tank and slash away mindlessly even after being told to go get amber to fix the gates. Is calling them noob elitism? In these cases, I don't think so.

Sab · Jul 12, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

I wonder if any devs actually *play* HA. Seriously.

huntingtonm · Jul 12, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

/Signed

> God Ap, the whole sucking eggs thing wasnt meant as an offense, it was just trying to say you dont need to lay the basics out to me, im firmly grounded in them. Thank you.

Ashius · Jul 12, 2007, 09:42 AM // 09:42

*Signed* I play Heroes Ascent for PvP, not for PvP+E. Generally a good team can beat these heroways 1v1 but it does get annoying when they decide to team up on kill count or in Halls (no wonder how good your team is, most monks cannot stand up to two degen teams and thumpers training on your relic runners, ghost or monks). And after facing a lot of these teams it is obvious that most of the monks you face suck because they cannot catch a single spike.

Thom Bangalter · Jul 12, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Its easier to find 3 other good players instead of 7.

Cass · Jul 12, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Bots suck and have always sucked in PvP. The only acceptable implementation in PvP is the few-skills, low-AI bots that inhabit GvG, and to a lesser degree the henchmen.

People running bot teams are really spoiling the PvP game mode. It's arguably worse than meeting full-human gimmicks of the worst kind (IWAY etc), as facing bots just makes you feel like you're playing pac-man.

Heroes further killed PvE too, actually.

Death_From_Above · Jul 12, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

As for the so called elitest attitude i dont think its so. Its like saying you get a job and expect to be made manager on day one. You have to work for a possition im affraid. As for people saying noobs are treated like dirt, there has been times where iv felt generous and my team has also so we have said ok mr rank 4 we will give you a shot and they turn out 2 really just be awful. Now im one for charity but sorry im not going to let 1 player cost me HA because of it. What really ticks players off at the moment is a low ranked player who isnt even skilled can own a high ranked player that is, to me this is clearly not right. Everyone was a low rank one day or another but many never cried about it but just got on with it.

fowlero · Jul 12, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Its easier to find 3 other good players instead of 7.

if you can only find 3 other good players, play TA.

i dont even play HA much but as many have said having hero's in it is so very stupid, its player v player, not player v AI.

Nimble Night · Jul 12, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Ok, here's how it works. Heroes don't lag. I do.(well at least until Anet fixes their issues) and well ha kinda sucks now anyway, so I'm not concerned about "damaging ha". So I am farming fame with heroway until its nurfed. I dont see how its any different from paraway or ritspike. The only difference is my build is better.^^. QQ plz

LifesRestorer · Jul 12, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Hate to say it but blame the stuck up elitists who promptly snuff players who want to climb up the ladders to use the more effective builds without needing baby/wolfy to get a team. Nobody helps newer players in the game, they resort to the only means they can, aka IWAY.

When you go to do FoW/DoA or something like that, do you take the guy who knows what hes doing, or a guildie, or someone you have played with before...

OR...

...

Take the warrior with full knights armour, a pet and power attack.
or were you that warrior?

ideologue · Jul 12, 2007, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Akaraxle

Air spi- wait... dual sm- ah damn... spirit sp- oh wtf... ranger spi- WAIT I'LL GET IT RIGHT NEXT!

EVERYTHING ON OUR GHOST
NOES IT DIED
INTERRUPT THEIR GHOST
dshot savage dshot savage dshot savage OSHI-

Wait, HA isn't the place for players with no skill? Have I been fooled all this time?

I agree, HA is and has always been an messier version of team arena. With limited space and simplistic goals, people automatically favor some bland builds that are strongest for these goals. ie. holding builds for altar, sf, ritspike on kill counts. That's why we have a situation where it's the builds that are playing, not the players. Thus skillplay is getting less important.

Kyp Jade · Jul 12, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

This elitism attitude is very well justified imo. I really dont like players, who think they can skip the learning to play part and jump straight into being good.

It takes quite a lot of work to actually learn to do more than just use the skill on your bar. It never ceases to amaze me how often small things like coordinating with your mesmer can be an auto-win sometimes vs balanced teams. THis and other tricks are things I've learned recently in the past few months since comming back from a 5 month break away from GW. When I was a fresh newbie into GW HA O so long ago, I didn thave a clue, I joined pugs like old school air spike and just did exactly as I was told, and thought I was awesome cause I helped win the match. Yea I sucked, and getting into Bspike after IWAY became popular didnt help me either. The one thing I regret is not getting into balanced builds sooner than I did.

All that history being said, I look at where I came from, and yes, this elitism attitude IS very well justified, because I know the lower rank players that play gimmicks and win vs decent teams, they think they are awesome because of it, and trash talk is just as bad with the lower ranks as the higher ranks.

EVERYONE loses, just cause you can beat someone doesnt make you god. And ffs I hate when a low rank person on my team trash talks 2 a well known player. /autokick from group.

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 12, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

LMAO. I love "elitists omgomg" post. Well, sorry mate, this is not charity, and I'm not sister of mercy. When I come back from work, I want to play with friends not babysit noobs.

Well enjoy playing with the same old people cus no new people are coming at this rate, except maybe a rit spike or IWAY or two.

Lord Mendes · Jul 12, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Well enjoy playing with the same old people cus no new people are coming at this rate, except maybe a rit spike or IWAY or two.

That's not because of the "elitist", that is because of the high barriers of entry. Don't blame the players, blame the game. Anet has already tried to cater to the "OMG GAILE I WANNA PLAY BUT MAD MAN TIGERD ME!!!

" crowd, and we all know how that ended up.
That's like saying "I've never played football and want to learn, BUT REAL MADRID THOSE DAMN ELITISTS WON'T LET ME PLAY WITH THEM!!! AT THIS RATE NO-ONE IS EVER GOING TO PLAY FOOTBALL!!!"

LifesRestorer · Jul 12, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

That's like saying "I've never played football and want to learn, BUT REAL MADRID THOSE DAMN ELITISTS WON'T LET ME PLAY WITH THEM!!! AT THIS RATE NO-ONE IS EVER GOING TO PLAY FOOTBALL!!!"

this is the best example EVER.

<3 Mendes

karunpav · Jul 12, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

That's not because of the "elitist", that is because of the high barriers of entry. Don't blame the players, blame the game. Anet has already tried to cater to the "OMG GAILE I WANNA PLAY BUT MAD MAN TIGERD ME!!!

" crowd, and we all know how that ended up.
That's like saying "I've never played football and want to learn, BUT REAL MADRID THOSE DAMN ELITISTS WON'T LET ME PLAY WITH THEM!!! AT THIS RATE NO-ONE IS EVER GOING TO PLAY FOOTBALL!!!"

This basically sums up the thread.

If I wanted to fight heroes, I'd do HvH. If heroes were banned from HA, then I might start playing again after my 3 month break from that craphole.